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BuddyPress releases are flying out too fast IMO. [Core Team, Please Read]

  • Avatar of EthanVan
    EthanVan
    Spectator

    @ethanvan

    I am trying to write documentation in the Codex library but there seems to be way too many releases flying out of the shop.

    I would dedicate a lot of my time to documenting BuddyPress if I could talk you guys into slowing the roll out of new versions and working with me on the Codex. What I mean by work with me is, not making so many changes in the file names and hooks. I have been trying to nail down what hooks go with what version and it’s ridiculous.

    How is a guy like me supposed to be productive helping out when the core team makes new releases month to month with changes in filenames and structuring? By next month anything I started writing in the codex will be obsolete.

    My suggestion is SLOW down a minute. Wait until you have a myriad of new features and THEN make a release. OR schedule your releases to every 6 months. I can write docs pretty fast but there is no way I could keep up with the current release and change rate. I understand that once you have something cool finished you want to show the world but you’re running so fast nobody can keep up.

    The codex is a far cry from what it should be so help me help you. I told you I can work on this 5 months out of the year without distraction. I’m half retired. Can you hold off on the roll out of 1.7 until I catch up with documenting what you already have? Till February maybe?

    Example: I was adding to the codex for activity and noticed that the current information is way out of date and there isn’t even a file named “bp-activity.php” anymore… What is it called now? Where are the hooks written now?

    Work with me and I promise I will get the documentation up to par but I need to know you aren’t going to switch everything around again in a month. I love BuddyPress but some serious QC and standardization needs to be implemented before this animal gets too big for it’s britches.

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  • Avatar of @modemlooper
    @modemlooper
    Moderator

    @modemlooper

    `I expect that I should be allowed this privilege solely on the basis that I am willing to do so`

    I’m using this in every job interview from this point on. *snort

    Avatar of EthanVan
    EthanVan
    Spectator

    @ethanvan

    Lol you should @modemlooper. It works… sometimes. ;)

    Avatar of John James Jacoby
    John James Jacoby
    Keymaster

    @johnjamesjacoby

    @ethanvan:

    Through-out BuddyPress’s life (since 2007) numerous people have come into the forums and demanded change, talked about how much they dislike everything, and “if only we’d do X” that person would finally be able to do Y and Z, and it’s totally “the core team” that are holding them back.

    That’s crap.

    You’re an editor on the codex; if you want to edit, no one is stopping you. If you want to improve the organization of the pages and content, great — do it!

    Instead, you want a “clean slate” to work on indefinitely until you feel a brand new codex is ready to ship? I’m afraid to ask how long you realistically think it will take to document 5 years worth of 100k lines of code, and why you think doing something manually is more effective than writing software to automate the process — see PHP Documenter?

    Your logic, and approach, are flawed.

    I just want people to share their experiences and knowledge, and that’s what the codex allows. Any time or work anyone is willing to put in above and beyond that is awesome, but we need less ideas, and more execution.

    —-

    What I won’t tolerate is the irony of you coming into our support forums, being disrespectful, then *demanding* respect because you have an idea about doing something you haven’t actually done yet. Note: since the beginning of the BuddyPress Codex, you’ve modified 1 page, 11 times, in the past 2 days. Total, we have 155 pages, and 3,040 total page revisions. Your contributions amount to 0.3% of total changes.

    How you think you’re the guy to jump in and fix all our problems, is confusing to me. The only way to clarify this confusion, is to actually put some time into the codex!

    Look… I’ll respect you no matter what you do, but I won’t trust your leadership until you treat other members of this site with with the respect they’ve earned and deserve… then you can have the keys to the codex after you start acting out your good intentions.

    Until then, any contributions you give are appreciated, and will be well received. I’m sure you’re willing, and able, now all you have to do is execute.

    Avatar of EthanVan
    EthanVan
    Spectator

    @ethanvan

    “You’re an editor on the codex; if you want to edit, no one is stopping you. If you want to improve the organization of the pages and content, great — do it!”

    I’m not seeing how I can reorganize the codex if I can’t even “create new topic” (which should actually say create new page, entry or post). All I can do is edit what is there. Go to the buddybar and click create new topic ANYWHERE in this site and you get “page not found”. If that’s the wrong link then where’s the right one?

    I was thinking about automation actually and that’s why I want a clean slate but you are so high and mighty that you don’t even realize the codex editing structuring functionality is non-existant to my user access level. It’s basically a glorified forum to me. So you explain to me mr high and mighty @johnjamesjacoby where these alleged tools of creation and organization are. Where are they John?

    Avatar of EthanVan
    EthanVan
    Spectator

    @ethanvan

    Oh and another thing…

    “numerous people have come into the forums and demanded change, talked about how much they dislike everything, and “if only we’d do X” that person would finally be able to do Y and Z, and it’s totally “the core team” that are holding them back.

    That’s crap.”

    No, it’s not crap, it’s called not listening to the community.

    Avatar of drill_sgt.lewis
    drill_sgt.lewis
    Participant

    @drill_sgtlewis

    I have to agree with @ethanvan on this because there seems to be a you against us attitude going on here. If you can’t work together then nothing will be gained so I would suggest taking a deep breath and be a little more co-operative with each other. If there was more documentation in the codex it would benefit the project by giving developers the knowledge to the inner workings of the software and bringing in some fresh talent with some new ideas. It would also help the moderators here by being able to point the community members to the codex which documents their specific needs. With bad attitudes and being uncooperative then I definitely can see this project ceasing and its probably the same reason there has been a mass exodus in plugin development. I understand people are doing this for free, but if your going to do half efforts then your going to get half the results. How can anyone execute when they don’t even have a descent understanding of the code because nobody wants to waste their time searching for a needle in a hay stack. If proper documentation was in place it would boost development on every level. I am asking nicely for a little more team effort and less throwing stones because that will get nothing done in a positive manner.

    Avatar of EthanVan
    EthanVan
    Spectator

    @ethanvan

    Excellant point @drill_sgt.lewis! All I’m asking for is some cooperation and to be taken seriously.

    Avatar of drill_sgt.lewis
    drill_sgt.lewis
    Participant

    @drill_sgtlewis

    @ethanvan I take you seriously but will the gleek club allow it. This seems a bit more like a dictatorship than a democracy because as I stated before it seems there is a you against us attitude and instead of being co-operative. Maybe the transfer of knowledge is frightening but we need to work together instead of against each other. I personally don’t care how long you have been with the project. I have led 24,674 combat troops successfully because we was one and trained as a cohesive unit, so have a better disposition when trying educate people on leadership when you are not really educated in this realm. I am tired of people who live in glass houses casting stones. I would be ashamed of myself to do such. Especially when there is people willing to restructure the documentation that should have been there in the first place. Allow others to help with this project so it can continue to thrive instead of pushing them away. Get your ego’s in check because I think its throwing your judgment off. This goes for everyone because there is no need for this attitude. @johnjamesjacoby I understand you lead this project but with all do respect your a human and so am I. Your judgment on this issue is misguided and your abandonment of people willing to help will come back to bite you. I wouldn’t want that on my resume. I think this issue needs to be taken seriously and stop trying to bully others just because you have access on the site to shut them out and lock the topic whenever you get tired of listening. If that is your position of resolve then your no leader at all. I don’t want to get anyone upset but I want to see results and pushing your weight around and throwing out percentages about who did what is showing your demeanor and from what I have seen its unsatisfactory so lets try to work together here instead of acting like a power hungry dictatorship please?

    Avatar of @mercime
    @mercime
    Keymaster

    @mercime

    This is a meritocracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy While you’re free to air your suggestions, you are not free to become abusive to anyone in this forum or anywhere else in the WordPress ecosystem. Know that we are free to lock the topic and delete posts http://codex.wordpress.org/Forum_Welcome#The_Bad_Stuff

    Avatar of drill_sgt.lewis
    drill_sgt.lewis
    Participant

    @drill_sgtlewis

    @mercime I mean no disrespect. I do not want this topic locked sir but when you snuff out people especially ones that is willing to help it only shows dictatorship. Who is abusive? @ethanvan or @johnjamesjacoby? Its a matter of perspective because I can see to a degree a little from both sides. This shall not be a power struggle. We should work as a unit. As stated above one shall not cast stones when you live in glass houses. I think it would be wise to let this topic evolve and hope that there becomes a positive result. So lets keep things positive please because this is something that seriously needs nurturing.
    Edit:
    We need passionate people here so until it gets to a point where there it is threatening in nature I think it would be wise to allow this topic to evolve and maybe get some good developers helping out more. Thank you!

    Avatar of Travel-Junkie
    Boris
    Participant

    @travel-junkie

    @mercime
    Linking to a wikipedia article will not, apparently, get you any brownie points with @ethanvan ;)

    @ethanvan
    Just start writing on the codex. If you can’t cause of permissions or whatever, let the core team know and they’ll sort you out. This is a community-driven project. The more you participate, the more you’ll be recognized. Being disrespectful to people that have already shown their dedication and involvement will only make you look weak.

    A codex is a valuable thing to have, no doubt, but I don’t believe that the lack of one will cause developers to turn away from the project. If you can write code then you can read and understand code. If you work with any of the dozens of IDEs out there, then any function, class or method is only 1 or 2 clicks away. That way is quicker than trawling through the codex, WP or BP. For me anyways.

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    Hugo
    Moderator

    @hnla

    @travel-junkie Lack of documentation will not necessarily turn developers away but generally the degree to which something is well documented is an indication of how things stand overall and reading how something flows, what is possible or not, is easier than having to trawl through core code to work it out, yes we can and do do that but being able to does not replace or negate the need for a good set of dev docs and having to trawl through core code because there aren’t docs available will turn away many developers..

    Avatar of Travel-Junkie
    Boris
    Participant

    @travel-junkie

    @hnla
    I do see the point and I did not mean at all that we don’t need a codex. I was merely replying to an earlier comment.

    Codex pages can be created through wp-admin, like any WordPress site: http://codex.buddypress.org/wp-admin/

    Avatar of John James Jacoby
    John James Jacoby
    Keymaster

    @johnjamesjacoby

    Why do y’all think calling people names is going to help anything? That’s pretty silly.

    Closing this topic, since it’s another one that’s all about criticism, and not about execution.

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