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STOP feature-polls for BP 1.3

  • Avatar of abcde666
    abcde666
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    @erich73

    I think most of the requested and discussed features on this Forum are Plugin-territory, but the mentioned 3 features should definitely be within Core and are essential to run a Social-Network-website:

    - Privacy Features

    - Advanced Search & X-Profile Fields

    - User-Blogs-Posts from Front-end

    I would say:

    STOP feature-polls for BP 1.3 and focus on above mentioned 3 features ONLY.

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  • you take yourself too seriously Erich… Aladdin is just a comic…

    Avatar of abcde666
    abcde666
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    @erich73

    take it easy, but take it ;-)

    Avatar of 21cdb
    21cdb
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    @21cdb

    I don’t need User-Blogs-Posts from Front-end neither does Facebook and i guess they know how to run a Social-Network!

    That doesn’t mean i wouldn’t like to have User-Blogs-Posts from Front-end, it’s just not important for my website, because i turned the Blogs component off. Thats my personal taste, my own opinion.

    Humans always looking out for their own interests, thats natural behaviour, but we should always keep in mind to respect interests of the public and of the parties concerned as well.

    A poll is a great way to determine what the public needs are. I believe it will give the main developers good impressions in which directions they should focus in the future.

    So what do you fear about a poll?

    Avatar of Xevo
    Xevo
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    @xevo

    Polls are gonna be core?

    Can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a poll on a social network. :)

    I agree with Erich on this one, polls should be a plugin, not be a core component.

    @21cdb: So if Facebook suddenly starts sending bombs to users, your gonna do that too? Cuz hey, they know what they’re doing, right? :) -j/k-

    Ok people, step back from your keyboards and take a deep breath.

    1) The ‘ideas’ forum collects any ideas that people want to see in future BP version.

    2) After some period of time, I am going to make a list of all the ideas. I am going to take it to a http://bpdevel.wordpress.com/ BuddyPress dev chat, and those present (everyone is welcome) will help decide which of those ideas to go into a poll on this website.

    3) Everyone can then go to the poll on this website and vote what they would like to see in BP version 1.3, 1.4, and so on. Results will be announced by Andy Peatling and the Roadmap updated.

    This is very similar to what happened around the 1.0 release.

    Like what 21cdb said:

    Humans always looking out for their own interests, thats natural behaviour, but we should always keep in mind to respect interests of the public and of the parties concerned as well.

    A poll is a great way to determine what the public needs are. I believe it will give the main developers good impressions in which directions they should focus in the future.

    Avatar of 21cdb
    21cdb
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    @21cdb

    @Xevo – i don’t know if it’s due to my bad english, but whether or not you misunderstood what i was trying to say. Please read again – i never said that “polls” are gonna be core, nor said Erich they should be a plugin :)

    I only mentioned facebook to invalidate the saying that a “User-Blogs-Posts from Front-end”-Feature

    should definitely be within Core and are essential to run a Social-Network-website

    You can’t generalize such needs, but a poll could show up what most people are looking for.

    Avatar of Peterverkooijen
    peterverkooijen
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    @peterverkooijen

    Totally agree, Erich73.

    I’d also add privacy (making parts members-only etc.), another core feature that was promised a year ago and again after polling last Fall, but disappeared from the priority list for 1.2 and 1.3. Poor Jeff Sayre has been struggling with that without any support from Automattic.

    ‘User-Blogs-Posts from Front-end’ can be done in most places by integrating the P2 theme or using the Posthaste plugin. Both work fine on regular blog index/home pages.

    I’m trying to get it to work on the group blog homepage. No luck so far. Will post for download today or tomorrow two versions of the excellent bp-groupblog with P2 and Posthaste code integrated, as far as I can figure them out. I will need some help fixing them.

    Avatar of Xevo
    Xevo
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    @xevo

    @ 21dcb

    I believe that Polls should be a plugin made by some third party plugin developer. That’s why I said that, I do believe some buddypress users could use something like that. Also seeing that Erich said it was in the development list for 1.3, I figured it was for the core buddypress. :)

    Also, Facebook was build off the ground, I can see that users of wordpress/buddypress wanting the wp-admin to be only for admins as the name suggests and keep the users off the creepy admin panel.

    @ DJPaul

    So on which items the most votes are, is going to be developed first?

    Avatar of Peterverkooijen
    peterverkooijen
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    @peterverkooijen

    @Xevo, I’m pretty sure Erich73 was not asking for a poll plugin. I think his comment was about the relative pointlessness of open polls for new features, when there are still many core issues that should be fixed first.

    I remember we’ve gone through this over six months ago, also with a poll and promises that certain features, like privacy, would become core in version 1.2 and 1.3. Very little of that has materialized.

    … I can see that users of wordpress/buddypress wanting the wp-admin to be only for admins as the name suggests and keep the users off the creepy admin panel.

    Absolutely. That’s why I’m trying to sort out front-end posting with P2 and/or Posthaste. Raoulduke is working on it as well.

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    abcde666
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    @erich73

    @Xevo,

    no, I am not talking as “Polls” being a plugin. There have been user-polls in the past at this very Forum, at which everyone could vote on features they would like to see in the future-versions of BuddyPress.

    In general, all I want to say with my initial post is that we should not loose sight of what kind of features are really important.

    Everybody has different priorities and everybody needs a certain feature, but we should not loose sight that certainly everybody will need “Privacy Features”.

    Privacy might not be very important in the USA, but I can tell you gonna have quite big troubles in running a Social-Network in many countries in Europe, without providing User-Privacy.

    There is a good chance you gonna run into legal troubles – which is quite critical, besides that users will complain about finding their private information on Search-Engines like Google. Just think about running a Dating-website, where users post lots of private information, but literally its not safe for them to use your website.

    The other feature of “Advanced Search & X-Profile Fields” should be also within Core-Code and will definitely enhance every website being run on BP, no matter your niche. Think about -for example- performing a search for the users at your website being “male” and at an age-range between “20 and 30 years of age”. This is currently not possible.

    The necessity of the feature of “User-Blogs-Posts from Front-end” is debateable, most probably not being used by everyone. But did you ever go into the “backend” of Facebook in order to write a post ?

    Anyhow, just wanted to highlight to make sure you still see the forest in a clutter of trees…..

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    finni3
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    @finni3

    “False consensus effect – the tendency for people to overestimate the degree to which others agree with them.”

    I don´t know if “STOP feature polls” was meant as a joke or not, but I can´t really see why this is a problem (if you are serious). People have different opinions on what is the most important features that should be developed, and what should be included in core.

    For instance, letting users be able to post to blogs from the frontpage sounds like a perfect plugin match for me, as I have no real need for that. Still I don´t go around making several posts (saw you posted at the dev site as well) about how devs should STOP working on frontpage blogposting and focus on xxx feature instead.

    Maybe the false concensus effect have blinded you a bit my friend.

    To me it is important to keep in mind that testbp.org has over 15 000 users. We all have different plans for buddypress. ;)

    The way the dev team are trying to figure out what to develop next seems like a fair way to me:

    (1)First getting suggestions, (2)then adding their professional opinion on what should be devoloped next and lastly (3) letting the users again be a part of the process by allowing us to vote on what we want the most. This will hopefully allow the highest percentage of people to be pleased.

    EDIT: I was a bit slow you posted your reply in the mean time Erich.

    Avatar of Peterverkooijen
    peterverkooijen
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    @peterverkooijen

    Privacy, advanced xprofile fields and front-end posting have to do with cleaning up loose ends in existing core functionality; access, member management, usability, etc. They are not in the same category as requesting a gallery or event management feature.

    The polls are silly window dressing. The last one was largely ignored. Probably rightly so. We don’t pay Andy’s rent, Automattic does. Don’t pretend like we’re some hippy commune ruled by consensus.

    Avatar of abcde666
    abcde666
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    @erich73

    @Peter

    I am not sure about “window dressing”, but having many people vote on something – I am not sure about the outcome.

    Well, even George Bush was voted on ;-)

    @DJPaul and everyone… it’s great that BP is asking for our feedback. Many projects don’t do that. But in the end, I think the golden rule should be that 80% of the features should be useful to 80% of the users. Privacy fits within that rule. I’m not convinced that anything else does. When you build software with every possibly feature… it often ends up doing none of them particularly well. I look forward to voting in the poll once the list of ideas is compiled.

    I am going to close this thread as I don’t feel it is constructive now. Please send me if you want to discuss/disagree.

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