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Hi. Which page are you guys actually doing this editing … groups/single/group-header.php?
It would be better to have a separate long thin image rather than a square creating lots of white space around it.
I tried changing it but it makes no difference. Removing the section at least removed the avatar.
How does one change the size of, or even remove, the group avatar image?
There is too much wasted space causing too much unnecessary scrolling down for users in default styles.
Bump.
Good question.
When on earth with UI designers learn not to waste the all important top of a web page with acres of white space than makes users have to scroll down to find what they want every view !?!
If no one likes them, then why do we still slavishly use them?
Is Gravatar.com another BBpress that Matt got the hots about for 15 minutes, ditched and then forgot about?
Worse still, why does bp.org use EVEN BIGGER ones at the top of each group-forum-whateveritiscalled? I mean, the first 75% of the top of the page is fill up with absolutely nothing of any interest making it necessary for users to scroll down to read anything of interest.
That is REALLY BAD UI design.
It does not fix it.
how to make it load after the rest of the page?
You are bang on Djsteve … it is an incoherent torrent of information coming at you from all directions.
I cannot be bothered itemizing it all.
> @nonegiven; Where are you seeing this error, just out of interest..?
Everywhere … index.php onwards. They relate to the avatars.
They are not printed but if you put your browser into debug mode they come up every time and every page. Do not now if it is important or not.
They are all gravatar icons without proper suffices, e.g. .jpg
https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/17c2352f99fcaf76fcc3c64021b47167
Unfortunately it is not easy to post code to Buddypress but here goes … the answer is, it does not work. It does not fix it.
The Forum page STILL shows an open posting form which then closes to show the forums which looks bad and not professional at all. How can one load the forums first and the post form second?
To help others … this ‘fix’ edit requires commenting out the following line on /buddypress/bp-forums.php
// do_action( ‘bbpress_init’ );
from
function bp_forums_total_topic_count() {
do_action( ‘bbpress_init’ );$query = new BB_Query( ‘topic’, array( ‘page’ => 1, ‘per_page’ => -1, ‘count’ => true ) );
$count = $query->count;
$query = null;return $count;
}The alternative offered is worse … it breaks the default template.
function bp_forums_total_topic_count() {
$query = new BP_Forums_Template_Forum;
$count = $query->total_topic_count;return $count;
}But, thanks, it is good to know that I am not stupid and I am coming across problems wiser people than I have encountered.
Why dont the WordPress and Buddypress websites share more in terms of user interaction cues, e.g. using forums versus groups etc.
Why is it not easy to clone off other langauge sub-domains and them all share the same layout etc … ? This is also true for WordPress sites.
I had a fledging community … BP utterly killed it. Folk just aren’t interested in investing the time trying to work out what the hell is going on. They retreated back into their blogs and shut down.
BBPress is just not ready for community building … let alone to have an even more stripped down and scrambled version.
I have no idea what the relationship between Automattic and Andy is, how much direction is involved or whether he is just allowed to fiddle with code all day like a prodigy in case “something” comes out.
There is some relative discussion, here:
> What would you change on this site to help BP succeed?
• Integrate phpBB3 instead of BBpress as the default forum on all BP installations including here.
• Develop a proper, integrated, sitewide search for WP.org & BP.org and all WP & BP installations including here.
Are “Groups” forums or groups and what is “Community” … is “Community” a forum or a group of groups (whatever they are)?
I am utterly confused.
Why cannot I reply to an individual reply above, as per quoting, or perhaps – dare I add to the confusing – have threaded discussion!?!
Yes, I feel lost and it all feels “wrong” too.
Yes, sorry to say it, Buddypress badly needs the input of an experience interface designer.
Shit … there is still no preview before post or basic formatting either … what is this IRC made more complex?
I hope there can be, suggest and encourage, a rapid evolution from “plugins” to “modules”.
It is not possible to investing oneself in building a community dependent on third party plugins and it is unethical of anyone to do so.
I can understand individuals dislike of bloat, although often it is just posturizing these day. I agree that the likes of phpBB is too bloated, which is why I write modules that can be removed by switched off like a plugin … but so many key elements are dependent on third parties who cannot be expected to keep up with development cycles or lifetime commitment.
How and where is Automattic handling the adoption of such plugins into the core maintenance?
Thanks.
I strongly agree with this. Conceptual “groups” and “forum” are two separate things.
“Sub-forums are not groups” and vice-versa … it is confusing for users and, yes, the “joining” issue puts people off.
It is kind of strange that when a user goes to post in Forums (tab) > they are then jumped to Groups (tab).
I’d rather keep Forum stuff in the forum, and Group stuff in groups.
I am not a great fan of activity streams … it seems like noise over data to me … I think the priority should be allowing communities of bloggers to be well integrated with a place they can share and discuss relative issues in order to strengthen, develop and order those communities. Something that has not existed before in WordPress.
WordPress has always been more about empowering individualism and one way broadcast rather than cross discussion.
This is a big conceptual shift … one better managed by discussion forums right now.
Perhaps, speaking conceptually … what it really needed was WordPress as a plugin for phpBB … with BP then added on top connecting the parts … rather than building a discussion forum on top of WordPress?
Having said that, I prefer the cleanliness of WP which is why I had such high hopes and invested my interest …
Less is more.
What did you actually have to do to those files? i agree the document is scant and the Template pack plugin does not really make it very clear.
Well, to do something like only quote the chosen text, you are looking at something much bigger than *just* the plug in.
Yes, I see the same behavior as you.
How would you expect it to know what you have quoted? … It is not like a mail client
At present it is easier to add blogs to phpBB, and build community, than add a discussion forum to BP.
It seems to me that this strikes at the heart and tradition of what WordPress is … as in one way broadcasting (single blogs) … rather than discussion.
I think WordPress is the best blogging platforms but I would argue that real community building happens around discussion, not one way broadcasting.
Imagine the different between
100 people standing in the street all talking aloud to themselves about their thing … and now and then being heckled by a passerby
100 people sitting down at a conference having a managed, or group discussions, about various topics ….
The first example is a WordPress blog farm.
The second is a phpBB discussion forum … and a community.
I am not exactly sure yet where Buddypress fits in or what its roadmap is.
If you want to add an integrated blog, which is picked up by a site search, you can do so to phpBB via a blog MOD. Imagine the above “conference” attendees having somewhere to be able post their conference speech papers.
The real problem is, BBpress was a badly starved project, as a discussion forum, before it was chosen to be integrated into WMPU and Automattic do not, seemingly, have a strong interest in integrating it.
I am wondering if it was a wrong choice and they should have gone with something mature like a bridge to phpBB.
A few folk liked BBpress because it was so slim and minimal … but then a few folk also like playing with 68k Apple Macs and Ataris too.
I hope that helps …
@kriski
“Has anyone managed successfully convert/transfer from phpbb3 forum into buddypress?”
Why would you want to? phpBB3 is a far more mature discussion forum with a large and vigor development community.
For the lack of real integration between the various parts, would not WPMU/phpBB3 integration, as per WP-United, be a better route to go down?
— the voice of experience
Yes, it is “by design” that BBpress/BP Forums cannot do all the things normal users would expect from a forum.
I am not sure what design that is but it is a little depressing.
BBpress was already the prematurely born poor cousin of the Automattic stable before it was integrated into Buddypress.
I’ve asking to see the roadmap of where ever this is all going but it does not seem that, despite the corporate funding now, there is one.
And I think it is just all too much work for just one developer and open sourcers.
Against my wishes, I’ve pretty much given up hoping and would rather see phpBB3 integrated with WPMU, as per http://www.wp-united.com. With WP3 coming up soon … they may be hope on the horizon.
Sorry to be so honest.
Global anything would be very good. We cannot have a global search, it seems, and so global tagging would at least be a second best.
Wonderful idea.
Basic features” such as?</quote>
ability to make standalone forums
usability of plugins
admin backend
As a beta testing guinea pig, I find the BP version a bit slow … it renders the post box first, which then disappears before the groups/forums/whatever they are appear.
But, really, I meant far more along the lines of what is commonly expect of a BB/internet discussion forum, like quote and preview buttons, text editors.
I get the feeling that BBpress was already the poor neglected cousin of the Automattic stable before it was adopted by the BP “department”.
I am finding it is not really attractive to ordinary users. They do not adopt to it the way they do to phpBB etc.
OK, the geekier, techie end of us might appreciate the slim characteristics of the front end but Joe Internet needs all his buttons.
(I am not anti-BP/BB by any means … quite the opposite. I am just wishing that Automattic invested more of their recently received multi-millions into developing it further and quicker).
Sorry, I did not realise that BBpress was so limited.
But there were two parts to the question, the second was:
* Why have so many basic default features from BBpress been disabled, will they be reincarnated, and where is the planned roadmap?
bump … is there an admin bar language switcher for 1.2?
Please note, the .mo or .po files do not do the complete translation job, e.g. not /wp-reg.php etc.
No r-a-y …. it is not a BBpress issue. It is a Buddypress issue.
- Why have so many of the default features, and admin tools/backend, been removed from the Buddypress installation of BBpress and is there an “official” roadmap for when they might be re-added?
It is a Buddypress issue because it is about what Buddypress will or will not become.
Is it going to mature into a proper social network/discussion forum, with the features average users have come to expect, or are we just guinea pigs for some feature that may or may not one day make it into WordPress.com?
What does this mean in English?
so, to include a reply box on all pages for ajaxed quote, remove this if statement in the same groups/single/forum/topic.php file<?php if ( bp_get_the_topic_is_last_page() ) : ?> (don't forget about the correct<?php endif; ?>)What does
(don't forget about the correct <?php endif; ?>)mean I have to do …- put it in or take it out, and where ?
Not a request for a plugin … but can we just have back all the BBpress features and admin tools that were disabled first?
