[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

the problem with all these protocols is not to build them, but to make them followed by all coders. we faced this on other projects, and most of the time we abandon this due to the lack of consistancy in the release process: no audit, no verification staff, nobody to keep the database of plugins uptight…

as a good example, my own work for vBulletin is always rated higher in the priority list because they are core-modifications, not featurettes. site owners could always change the priority level of my addons if they want *(for no logical reason)… most of the products coded in the vBulletin market are priority 5, and they conflict between them, because nobody is able to set their code to not conflict with others… and there is no staff available to check all thes products to see if they fit by version or by conflict… so it’s a real mess.

the only real solution for these install/protocols would be to have a team that keep all these releases clear of conflicts… but i’m sure it’s far from being possible, as everybody here is volunteer… people can not simply spend all their time checking all and every version to see if they contain all the processes and follow the exact WP protocol to the letter…

and most of the time, the ones who are not happy with the need to apply protocols are the ones who don’t care, they code something for their needs and think they can help if they release their work, no matter the rules. and even if we’re in the GPL thing, coders don’t always wish to see their work reworked.

i face this kind of brainstorm debate right now for a project i’m building… we face the need to control about everything that “may” be released by third party coders… we have outsourcers, but also fans who will release their work, and we want to make sure everybody have the hability to code properly, or we face the switch: we recode it, or we reject it…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

ok, so it look like that… it was not “nothing-nothing” but more that i thought it was a “style”, not a skeleton… now that i’m happy to see it is a skeleton…

good one!

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

tested it, but hum, saw nothing… maybe it was just not working on my installation…

could you provide a screenshot to see if it fits?

btw, i like skeletons we can use to apply variations/themes to them…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

hum, and why SF only?… it’s a really small target you have, and i’m sure that most of the BP coders are not from that sector…

if the detail is about contacts, having msn with a webcam can handle that, no?… signing a NDA and NCA are possible by mail too…

…btw i just ask, i’m not available

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

thanks Brajesh for the understanding…

i’m not at the level to release my own work on BP yet, as i have to finalise some tasks in the vBulletin universe right now, but i hope to be able to code some plugins for BP and i will surely have a install/uninstall process if my stuff needs dB edits… *(usually not though)…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

oh, btw, we were to implement a install/uninstall process when i was in WP, but that was never done when i left… the process is quite simple, we simply have a array of tables or fields to generate, that are installed/uninstalled on due time. the coder does not have to generate the whole process, just have to enter the fields and tables in the right way in the install file.

see how we do it with vBulletin:

$dbalter->fetch_table_info(‘user’);

$dbalter->add_field(array(

‘name’ => ‘itrader_total’,

‘type’ => ‘int’,

‘length’ => ’10’,

‘null’ => false,

‘default’ => ‘0’

), false);

… on uninstall of the product, the process is the same:

$dbalter->fetch_table_info(‘user’);

$dbalter->drop_field(‘itrader_total’);

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

not working… when a user update the location field, your script stuck on calling google…

also, it’s very complicated to understand how to list all the fields on BP, we have to have at least one user who fill the fields so they are listed in the menus… have to fix that.

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

you have to make all fields from a single group, the first one… if your fields are in other groups and try to move them, no chance, so maybe the best thing is to make a feature suggestion to be able to move fields between groups.

i had that problem just today, and i’m searching right now for a solution as right now i have no idea where these fields are stored.. lol

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

i installed it… and it is the best example possible for the suggestion i made for a /bp-plugins/ directory… we can not actually install this plugin on the fly with the installer, we need to move files around. we also have to replace two files… that could be a problem if we have another product that need to overwrite these 2 files again. (adding actions into these files is needed though)

suggestion:

bp-profile-setup : when we setup some custom field, would be good to have a checkbox “is searchable”… so we can filter or search thru these fields only when possible. this could be good if we want to avoid some details to be trackable…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

it changed because we do not have just “amateurs” who play with the engine… a majority of BP users NEED a better system, for a wide range of reasons.

if you can not duplicate a folder and modify one css file to make it different depending on your needs, instead of complaining that the system is flawed, ask someone to help you. you will learn a lot if you try.

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

@terryw, your problem is actually not related to any bug here, but is based on the chmod, as the errors are clearly in english, the script is unable to create or write these folders, so the configuration of your server does not have create access in one or more directories… ask your webmaster then…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

for icons, i would suggest you to look at Pinvoke! http://www.pinvoke.com/ … Yusuke is always open for some advertising…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

if Manoj’s error is what cause the problem, “maybe” it would be forced to have that verification made on the BP install, as a prerequisite… btw, i think it is already checked on WP install, as it is required to upload any media…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

need help to support these, DJPaul ?!… i’m available… and i will provide a translation in the next days for french language too… would be good if you provide a .pot … thanks!

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

suggestion: popular keywords. similar to auto-tags based on post content, would be amazing for big sites to have the same for profile fields, so we have a cloud (or a dropdown) of popular profile field answers.

challenging i suppose.. lol

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

you can give me that link, i’m ready to release a dozen of widgets and plugins in the next days, and would be ok to support that one as well… i’ll check the code before release and apply credits for the work done.

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

it’s not the quote that is the problem… a “who quoted me” function is what is needed if we interpret it the good way…

i coded something similar for vBulletin, where people were “rated” by popularity when rating was based on how much people were quoting you in a forum… maybe this rating thing can be fun to add in BP, as a lot of features are compared already…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

when i talk @Erich73, i do not always want to make a quote or a different post than if i reply @stwc ‘s post…

i’m not a geek, neither i use twitter… it’s been common protocol to most of the networks i know that when you want to point at someone, you add the ampersand so the person know you’re talking directly to him/her…

twitter just used the ampersand as an opportunity to link comments from members to events. they did not invent it.

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

i faced this problem in my new installation, so i will replicate it and report the results on bug fixes as soon as i’m decided on what theme i use for that site.. lol

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

it’s a great feeling actually, John James… and it would take “some” coders to build a bunch of BP-only plugins to start the wave…

maybe if i start coding again i will punch out some of the tools i have to be working exclusively in closed operation inside BP, and would store them temporarly in the plugins dir but would definitively work better if in their own location…

would be possible to work that detection loop in 1.2 ????

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

the difference is that BP have its own structure for functions, that does not work with other versions of WP…

but it’s just me, i like when things are well dressed…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

hum, interesting, i think this is a real good idea. could be coded as a plugin, would be easy *(once i know how to code one for BP)…

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

hum, btw, Andy, can you tell us a “possible” dateline for the next releases?… i really need to know if i have to edit all these files by hand or just wait for you..

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

i was not really in stasis, i was developing for vBulletin…

not sure what i’ll do next though, we’re supposed to start a new project… i get used to!

[@nexia Participant 16 years, 7 months ago]

hey hey… yeah, 1.2… Andy just told it would take a bit before we see it… that’s why i asked.

btw, i’m really impressed with what you’ve done with BP… when i left WordPress, it was at version 1.2 and Donncha was busy coding the source of WPMU, so imagine what was done by that time. now i wanted to build a complete site with all the needed features, and BP was the answer…